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Three days ago I bought a audiobook about the Manson murders, which I hadn`t heard about before (or in that case, forgot). Finding updated and shocking news about him right after, feels like a coincidence too much. “Dating a sociopath” also inspired me by “coincidence” a month ago, when I wrote about finally finding my own reflection in the mirror (Read the sound of 300 heartbeats for the beginning of the saga. If you need the password, email me at forfreepsychology@gmail.com).

Thank you “positiviagirl” for sharing!

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Charles Manson with Star, who says they are to marry. But Manson says, “That’s a bunch of garbage. You know that, man. That’s trash. We’re just playing that for public consumption.”

Serial killer Charles Manson is to marry his 25-year-old girlfriend behind bars, she has claimed.

In an interview with Rolling Stone magazine, the young woman who calls herself “Star,” tells the world that she is to be the next bride of the 79-year-old.

Star began visiting Manson at Corcoran State Prison in California when she was still a teenager.

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Star began visiting Manson at Corcoran State Prison in California when she was still a teenager.

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“I’ll tell you straight up, Charlie and I are going to get married,” she told Rolling Stone magazine. ”When that will be, we don’t know. But I take it very seriously. Charlie is my husband. Charlie told me to tell you this. We haven’t told anybody about that.

Star said in Rolling Stone magazine,

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Star said in Rolling Stone magazine,”I’ll tell you straight up, Charlie and I are going to get married.”

“People can think I’m crazy. But they don’t know. This is what’s right for me. This is what I was born for,” she told the magazine. The pair have been in a relationship since “Star” was 19.

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Star says of her relationship with Manson, “this is what's right for me. This is what I was born for.

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Star says of her relationship with Manson, “this is what’s right for me. This is what I was born for.”

She began visiting him at Corcoran State Prison in California when she was still a teenager. She is originally from Missouri.

“Star” has even cut an “X” into her forehead, in an apparent twisted homage to Mason’s swastika symbol.

Charles Manson being escorted to his arraignment on conspiracy-murder charges.

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Charles Manson being escorted to his arraignment on conspiracy-murder charges.

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Manson has been incarcerated for 44 years since the cult leader was convicted of the murders of actress Sharon Tate and Leno and Rosemary LaBianco.

Four young women members of the Charles Manson

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Four young women members of the Charles Manson “family” kneel on the sidewalk outside the Los Angeles at Hall of Justice, March 29, 1971 with their heads shaved. They’ve kept a vigil at the building through the trial in which Manson and three other women were convicted of slaying actress Sharon Tate and six others. Left to right: Cathy Gillies, Kitty Lutesinger, Sandy Good, Brenda McCann.

Manson, who has been married twice before, denied the claim of marriage.

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Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten, as they return to court late on March 29 , 1971, to hear the penalty phase ending a nine month trial for the Tate - LaBianca murders of August 1969.

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Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten, as they return to court late on March 29 , 1971, to hear the penalty phase ending a nine month trial for the Tate – LaBianca murders of August 1969.

“That’s a bunch of garbage. You know that, man. That’s trash. We’re just playing that for public consumption,” he told Rolling Stone. He also revealed that he was bisexual.

Manson said: “Sex to me is like going to the toilet. Whether it’s a girl or not, it doesn’t matter.”

These file pictures show the five victims slain the night of Aug. 9, 1969, at the Benedict Canyon Estate of Roman Polanski. From left, Voityck Frykowski, Sharon Tate, Stephen Parent, Jay Sebring, and Abigail Folger.

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These file pictures show the five victims slain the night of Aug. 9, 1969, at the Benedict Canyon Estate of Roman Polanski. From left, Voityck Frykowski, Sharon Tate, Stephen Parent, Jay Sebring, and Abigail Folger.

Charles Manson is seen in Corcoran, Calif., where he is in prison. He has repeatedly been denied parole.

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Charles Manson is seen in Corcoran, Calif., where he is in prison. He has repeatedly been denied parole.

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I saw this video on youtube – where she is talking about her love for Manson and why she wants to get married

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzTFThnkvvs

This video is her campaign as he has been wronged by the media so she thinks. Don’t be too hard on this one. As this is about seeing the mask of illusion. I think what is going on here, is that she has read all of the bad things about Manson, and she cannot see

  • Psychopaths are compulsive pathological liars
  • They appear very normal
  • Can appear very sane
  • Can be charismatic, fun and charming
  • They seem like a ‘nice guy’
  • They tell you what they want you to hear
  • They mirror you
  • Are good at playing victim
  • Will display moral outrage

This video is Star saying how the media is wrong about Manson. That he isn’t really like this…..it is an extreme example of sociopath delusion that many victims face, and the struggle between what is real and what is not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY1XYOK9s4c


 

The sound of falling shackles

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But I got chains and you got wings

Angels were never meant to fall And you were the loveliest of all If I thought God could fix this, I’d pray for your forgiveness

Natalia Kills

From the blog: Dating a psychopath

This link ( http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu2udi_when-louis-theroux-met-jimmy-saville_news#.UWdq7qLqmzg) is a good documentary with Louis Theroux. In this video all the classic character traits of a charismatic sociopath can be seen.

The truth about Jimmy Saville did not come out fully until after his death. He was a very celebrity in the UK, and operated behind his mask of charisma for decades. This is a really good video. Unfortunately I can no longer find this on youtube. 

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Amadeus  He never returned the cat after he got him. I never got the chance to say goodbye.

It`s actually quite sad that psychopaths/sociopaths never (?) can experience the range of feelings we have. People with shackles who are freed, can truly live in every way. Many psychopaths have no meanings in their lives, because without feelings, everything is flat. Its sad really, but they have to help themselves. It can`t be family or their lover. The people closest to us, don`t have the necessary distance that people must have to handle it. Am I a sociopath? (part 1) from the blogger in: 

Sociopath World

A reader of the blog to the sociopath, asks about how it is to be a sociopath. Here follows the answer:

Hello. I think I might be a sociopath, but I’m not sure. I don’t have a conscience per se, it’s more like a logical guide for what is right and wrong. Nothing turns my stomach, no type of immoral behavior enrages me unless I’m on the receiving end. All of my responses, even my “emotional” responses, are calculated and performed. I know I’m not the smartest person on the planet–VERY WELL, but I feel it. As far as my heart and soul are concerned, there is nobody smarter on this planet, even though the very mind in question knows that’s not the case. I use people when I can, so long as it doesn’t hurt them in the process. I’m not sure if that’s because I don’t want to hurt people or because I’d like to believe I’m not manipulative. Generally speaking, I don’t lie about anything except for my feelings. But I don’t go out of my way to hurt people. I actually go out of my way NOT to hurt people. Pretty much my entire life IS an act, and I don’t really know who I am… but I’m definitely not normal, nor do I fit all of the negative aspects of the sociopath stereotype. What does this sound like to you? I’m asking because as much as I’m able to make sense of the world around me, I cannot for the life of me make sense of myself. That is the one thing that my mind can’t penetrate. I can state facts about what I do, what I don’t do, my habits and tendencies, etc, but trying to form an opinion about myself is like walking through a minefield of self-deception and convenient stray thoughts.

Can psychopaths switch their empathy on?

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Psychopathic criminals have empathy switch

By Melissa Hogenboom

Science reporter, BBC News
NeuronsMirror neurons in the brain fire both when you watch someone in pain and when you experience it yourself

Psychopaths do not lack empathy, rather they can switch it on at will, according to new research.

Placed in a brain scanner, psychopathic criminals watched videos of one person hurting another and were asked to empathise with the individual in pain.

Only when asked to imagine how the pain receiver felt did the area of the brain related to pain light up.

Scientists, reporting in Brain, say their research explains how psychopaths can be both callous and charming.

The team proposes that with the right training, it could be possible to help psychopaths activate their “empathy switch”, which could bring them a step closer to rehabilitation.

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The study

a participant being slapped on the hand to localize brain regions sensitive to pain
  • Placed in an fMRI scanner, 18 criminals with psychopathy and 26 control subjects were asked to watch a series of clips without a particular instruction
  • The clips showed one hand touching the other in a loving, a painful, a socially rejecting or a neutral way
  • They were then asked to watch the same clips again but this time try and feel what the subjects in the clips felt
  • In the third part of the study they were slapped with a ruler to localise the pain region of the brain

Mirror neurons

The ability to empathise with others – to put yourself in someone else’s shoes – is crucial to social development in order to respond appropriately in everyday situations.

Criminals with psychopathy characteristically show a reduced ability to empathise with others, including their victims. Evidence suggests they are also more likely to reoffend upon release than criminals without the psychiatric condition.

Psychopathy is a personality disorder characterised by superficial charm, pathological lying and a diminished capacity for remorse.

Now scientists have found that only when asked to empathise did the criminals’ empathy reaction, also known as the mirror system, fire up the same way as it did for the controls. Without instruction, they show reduced activity in the regions of the brain associated with pain.

This mirror system refers to the mirror neurons in our brain which are known to activate when we watch someone do a task and when we do it ourselves. They are thought to play a vital role in the ability to empathise with others.

‘Bleak prospect’Christian Keysers from the University of Groningen, the Netherlands, and senior author of the study, said it could change the way psychopathic criminals were viewed.

“The predominant notion had been that they are callous individuals, unable to feel emotions themselves and therefore unable to feel emotions in others.

“Our work shows it’s not that simple. They don’t lack empathy but they have a switch to turn it on and off. By default, it seems to be off.”

The fact that they have the capacity to switch empathy on, at least under certain conditions, could have a positive side to it, Prof Keysers said.

“The notion psychopaths have no empathy at all was a bleak prospect. It would make it very hard for them to have normal moral development.

“Now that we’ve shown they have empathy – even if only in certain conditions – we can give therapists something to work with,” Prof Keysers told BBC News.

Brain activation in individuals with psychopathy was greater when asked to imagine pain (foreground) Brain activation in criminals with psychopathy was greater when asked to empathise (foreground)

But he explained that it was not yet known how this wilful capacity for empathy could be transformed into the spontaneous empathy most of us have.

Million-dollar questionEssi Viding from University College London, who was not involved with the study, said it was an extremely interesting finding, but that it remained unclear whether the psychopathic criminals’ experience of empathy felt the same as that of the controls.

“It’s dangerous to look at brain activation and say that it means they’re empathising. They are able to generate a typical neural response, but that doesn’t mean they have the same empathetic experience,” Prof Viding told BBC News.

“We know they can generate the same response but they do that in an active and effortful way. Under free-viewing conditions they don’t seem to. Just because they can emphasise, doesn’t mean they will.

“Psychopathic criminals are clearly different. The million-dollar question is whether we can devise therapeutic interventions that would shift them do this more automatically.”

Randall Salekin, from the University of Alabama, US, who works with youth offenders said: “These findings fit with much of the treatment I am doing using a mental model program, whereby youth are informed about how the brain works and then asked to make specific plans for improving their lives.

“This study is impressive because it actually shows the brain mechanisms or neural networks involved in activating the inmates’ empathy.”

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